aVe_kazter, in a pre game

[AEnima]

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[lightnessking.]

I'll check the saved game tonight (If no other mod/admin haven't yet.)

I highly doubt it that kaz would've cheated, are you very sure it was himself in that game?

"Ok, now he lost 67 units, assuming all of those are 32 food cost clubs, "

Clubs don't cost 32 food? They cost 24 with CR and 30 without CR.

55 army size w/ cr in civ = 1760

Army size is the highest army size in game, not the army size which is leftover at the end. so why add another 2144 food?

By the way, what was his current population? Did he got destroyed or did he survived?

Anyways as I said, I'll check the saved game tonight (Currently don't have the privelege to run EE.)

[Oldspice]

if this was pre, and he lost CLUBS, they cost 24 food each. 67 * 24 = 1608

making total SPENT = 8414

55 army size w/ cr in civ does not equal 1760

55 * 24 = 1320

making the total REALLY spent = 7974 or 7734. Two different answers each time i added them, but you can see there's a few hundred food spare to allow for citizen deaths. No cheating here.

[lightnessking.]

lol I assumed his "math" was correct but now that I think of it lol... Excuse me ! It's a early morning :- P.

[Omega]

I'll check the save when I have time, which may be a few days. Based on the original post, it doesn't appear that you are necessarily calculating it correctly.

Since you appear to be talking about food...

You need to take how many units he has at the end, and find the cost for that amount of citizens and clubmen. You need to find the cost of the clubmen upgrades he's purchased. You need to let the game run without killing his shit to see how much was in the production queue. You then need to figure out how many citizens in total were lost, and how many clubmen were lost. Sum up the food costs of all of these, and ensure that you DO NOT include starting citizens in the calculation at all. Compare the sum total of expenditures versus the total amount of food he gathered + 800. If the sum total is larger, then cheating occurred.

Now, from what you posted, it seems like you somehow used maximum army size. Maximum army size doesn't mean shit. The only time you can use it in a calculation is if no military units are lost at all. Or unless cheating was so insanely obvious that max army size * [resource] is vastly greater than the amount they could have spent. Which seemingly isn't the case here.

Also, you didn't even get the cost of clubmen right in your post. They cost 30 food and 30 iron without cost reduction. They cost 24 food and 24 iron with cost reduction. They certainly don't cost 32 food. As per the percent error formula ((Experimental - Actual)/Actual), that makes your calculation for food from army off by ~33%.

[simple_faith]

as i said i dont think he cheated at all, but then again idk either way ill get a laff at this, good luck kazter or calv, waiting on megs

[AEnima]

Lol? Not really "good luck Calv", I don't have a personal vendetta against him, and seeing how there is barely any people who play this game I wouldn't even want him to be disciplined, just let it be known that he cheated, if in fact he did. We've just caught a slew of cheaters lately on GR and I guess I just don't really trust anyone or something.

[Arntzen]

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[Fraktardo]

Regardless of whether we get proof of Kazer's cheating ways today or tomorrow, I think the important thing to remember is that kazter is not an evil or bad person. He is simply caught up in the maelstrom of our modern a-moral a-spiritualistic consumerist self-aggrandizing culture.

When he is judged for his crimes, let us not try to patch over the gaping maw of emptiness and destruction which blights the world's societies by crucifying one, if guilty, not entirely responsible man. Let us instead level the verdict and subsequent sentence and penitence at ourselves.

For is it not we ourselves who are truly to blame???

[[-Ts-] Tricky]

Fraktardo LOLL your a legend lol

[Olinja]

if this was pre, and he lost CLUBS, they cost 24 food each. 67 * 24 = 1608

making total SPENT = 8414

55 army size w/ cr in civ does not equal 1760

55 * 24 = 1320

making the total REALLY spent = 7974 or 7734. Two different answers each time i added them, but you can see there's a few hundred food spare to allow for citizen deaths. No cheating here.

the big deal was hero but from your math + how the game is now i dout he cheated unless hex civ but we all know hex civ is waste of points, i wasnt in the game but the numbers r to close 2 be fake idk. either way he wont be banned or loose mod power or anything lame, this is a new server. so w/e u did that game kaz... doet it again it seemed 2 have worked. this reminds me of the texas ranger call out. he was banned for a week till some1 did the math LOL.

[Omega]

@Olinja,

1) If Kazter did cheat, he will certainly be banned. He will also certainly lose his moderator status.

2) Texas Ranger did actually cheat in that game (if it's the one I'm thinking of that was posted on ClanZone). The 'problem' was that the situation was exceptionally close, and that the old moderators were morons who didn't have enough mathematical skill or knowledge of the game to figure out what was what. Unless Texas actually made random individual wall plots (i.e. NEVER finished) in the back of his base for no reason at all (which is actually what he claimed), he cheated. And it could be (and was) shown from what was known that as per the statistics (namely, since we know everything he produced or even COULD HAVE produced and the possible costs, and the total spent etc.) that it was not possible for him to have enough of the wall plots he said he had, meaning he therefore MUST have cheated. It's the same idea that you can show abcdefgh....z7 (where a-z are integers and the z represents the 10's place) will always have a unit's digit of 7, 9, 3, or 1 when multiplied by its self (i.e. to the nth power), and in fact that those units digits will repeat in that order infinitely without any deviation for values of n...

[Olinja]

lol the wall spots ur talking about wasnt back but sides, slut rush stopped em from being built but that wasnt the prob they said he eco glitched food, NOPE he had farmming, it was almost the same as kaz's case he had early hero decent army skill and good eco. people changed the facts around but he got banned for 1 week falsely, even GayT said he was wrong, all he had 2 do was the math lol. people also said he used a trainer / farm scanned / eco glitched / hex'd but all false he wasjust pro mid booms. PLUS how can u cheat w/o trib? lol

[Omega]

lol the wall spots ur talking about wasnt back but sides, slut rush stopped em from being built but that wasnt the prob they said he eco glitched food, NOPE he had farmming, it was almost the same as kaz's case he had early hero decent army skill and good eco. people changed the facts around but he got banned for 1 week falsely, even GayT said he was wrong, all he had 2 do was the math lol. people also said he used a trainer / farm scanned / eco glitched / hex'd but all false he wasjust pro mid booms.

Having farming is irreverent. It only affects the rate of gathering. What matters is total available to spend for each resource vs. what was actually spent. I won't bother arguing about Texas anymore on this topic, since it's unrelated.

PLUS how can u cheat w/o trib? lol

Hexed civ?

[DrHouseMd]

So i guess since OP edited post, he was wrong and kazter just owned him?