Shut down the Server ?

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Shut down the Server ?

Post by Lancelot5 »

Hey,

How about to shut down the lobby server ? So all that want to keep on going are forced to play on gameranger. I dislike to say it but atm the lobby is pretty bad. Only few players left and admins dont have the possiblities to change there much. Some did good trys to get players back like a tournament, ladder + advertise ee etc ... But its not done well because of the old lobby.


Reasons:
  • No direct link in top of lobby to ladder
    No direct link on top of lobby to currecnt tournaments
    No download link on top of lobby
    The forum is pretty bad structured. To many topics just confuses players.

All in all it takes to much time for players to find out certain informations. People just want to play games and not do some research in forums etc... It must be as simple as possible to get informations since its all about time. We lost a lot of players just because of that.
Now there are probably more players on GR compared to lobby.


So i think,

altghouht i prefer playing in Lobby :
  • - Gameranger full of Noobs
    - No punishment for retards
    - Several EE- Versions
    - No Community Chat (best on Lobby)
    - Lag Shit ( hate that )
we could give gameranger a try :
  • + very easy to host games
    + esier to install
    + more advertised
    + no abusive Mods/Admins

    -> not that much smurf issues ( all players euqal )

Gameranger isnt that great solution but atm the lobby has so less players that this is something we should think about.

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Re: Shut down the Server ?

Post by [-Ts-] Tricky »

tbh i think its stupid idea you will kill off aoc straight off.
Mods and admins flameing people? doubt that tbh because i never see it.
Game chat on lobby is so much better.
Only allowed too add 50 friends on game ranger.
Lobby is here too save ee and aoc GR is for every other games and dont really care what happens to ee and aoc.

Dont know where your trying to go with this lance but it will kill ee and aoc more atm people can set up playing both so i dont see the issues.
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Re: Shut down the Server ?

Post by Omega »

Maybe Gameranger should shut down and force people to come here? You should suggest that on their forums, and while you're at it, see if you don't get banned for suggesting such a thing. At the same time, our staff is totally, totally abusive, right? lol
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Re: Shut down the Server ?

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Hey,

Since Omega just got mad at some certain points and answer in a ridiculous way. I will more reply on the things Tricky said.

First of all to make it more clear with the point "no abusive Mods/Admins" i meant the status of being a moderator or admin itself. It makes you being ahead compared to normal players. Thats why i said that players are equal in GR.
  • Just that u have moved now the threat into a topic with: mark "WARNING: Entrance may result in drop of IQ", an area most people won´t notice and even create there a new post so that most can´t reply on it, is an little example what is meant by that point. So i dont mean that "Mods and admins flameing people" at least not with there known names :D
tricky wrote:Game chat on lobby is so much better.
Only allowed too add 50 friends on game ranger.
Yeah i like the Chat here too it makes us like an addicted EE-Family. In GR the way to communicate is shitty. I also didnt know that u only can add 50 friends.
tricky wrote:Lobby is here too save ee and aoc GR is for every other games and dont really care what happens to ee and aoc
Its just like that GR atm has more players then Lobby. That´s why i thought about that idea to shut down the server here to get there more players. Sure GR not really care about EE or AOC itself. They just added the game on their list so players can play it. But hmm is here a difference anymore ? As i started to play EE 4 or 5 years ago we had Lobby Updates etc.. but now players that were able to do some changes left. Every idea players or even me ( I did several ) suggest will be answered with like "ohh no its not really necessary", "ee has always been like that we dont need ....", "its old game" etc . I understand its old game, many players quit and we lost possiblities do some changes. I also dont demand anything. You guys did a great job within the scope of your possibilities. But now i dont see that much difference between Lobby or Gameranger on that part.
tricky wrote:tbh i think its stupid idea you will kill off aoc straight off
Yeah i see that risk too. On GR nearly all games hosted on are EEC games. But here on Lobby also only 2 AoC games hosted. 1x 4vs4 Mid and other is 1x 4vs4 Pre the rest games hosted are noobgames that gets hosted on GR aswell.
tricky wrote:Dont know where your trying to go with this lance but it will kill ee and aoc more atm people can set up playing both so i dont see the issues.
In total we would lose players but on the other hand, since we a splitted community, we would increase the playerbase on GR. That leads probably to more 4vs4 games which most players like to play. Thats the Idea behind that. Like when GR has like 70 players atm while lobby only got 40 and we manage to bring 20 of the 40 players to GR. There would be 90. Which lead probably to more games on that side.

My situation atm is like when i go online at 6 p.m :
  • there 30 players only online
    Half of them are bad or laggers
    Most dont play pre which is my favorite set
    i switched to liga but noone play anymore too
    noone wanted to train me in mod
So i switched to AOC MID which is not that much fun compared to other sets. Mostly to laggy so i cant micro which makes expan civs / passive playing stronger. Not that good players etc...
So i miss partly the competition and challenge to playing game which for me is one of the important parts of a game.
Omega wrote:Maybe Gameranger should shut down and force people to come here
Yeah would have been best but atm GR has more players then Lobby. Some months ago it was other way round. Even Mods and Admins play on GR ... So i dont think there is a chance anymore.

Atm the playerbase in Lobby decreases. IF wait to long there wont be a possibility anymore to do that switch to GR. While do that change with more players, GR will be accepted better just because more lobbyplayers would be involved.

All in all this is just a suggest how to keep on going with EE. Dont take it that hard.

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Re: Shut down the Server ?

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I say we delete this thought and post as it is in no way beneficial in saving Empire Earth.

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Re: Shut down the Server ?

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theres always better options than playing on GR

1. lot more time for watchin porn
2. can do stuff around the house (not that youll actually do the stuff though)
3. more time for flash games that dont have cheaters all over the place
4. more time for ee single player
5. great time to sign up on the lancelot is a dick.com website for just random things you hate about him
6. even more time for porn
7. can go out to eat since your not playin ee because lancelot had it shut down
8. join a zumba class so everyone not so fat anymore from playin to much ee
9. more time for fishing
10. fuck it lets just all get some msn accounts and just keep playing

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Re: Shut down the Server ?

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I see people are being a lil hard on u lance, but it just does not seem like a serious suggestion. Omega's post was quite good infact he just adressed your mod abusive part. If u feel we're in any way above regular users u mistake intent, we're just there to enforce the tou, which is a good thing imo, and of course help settong up ee for newcomers. Players are equal in gr sure, it used to be like that in the old lobby aswell but i'd much rather have someone enforce some rules such as against racism, cheating ghosting and what have u.

Now I play almost exclusively in GR already as thats where u will find the sh games that abandoned the lobby. As for closing the lobby down i think that would be bad cause it still has it's use. Especially since 80% of the lobby players hate gr for various reasons. Its still the by far best place to have a really good game granted u can get the players. And sometimes its really nice just to be in lobby and perhaps have a chat.

Oh and 70 players? it's alot closer to 200 i think if there was a lobby. At good hours... Alot of them noobs sure, thats just a good sign.
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Re: Shut down the Server ?

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I would suggest to shut down the Save-ee Lobby server if the old Sierra Servers are back online again.

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depends if they manage it or not then we will speak about that then but i think they stil a long way off it.
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Re: Shut down the Server ?

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Actually, I don't like the way you guys do the mod thing. Every user should look the same. Some users should secretly be granted mod powers if they're responsible enough. It's obviously a status you want to rub in our faces, otherwise you wouldn't force users to read your messages (force upon us warnings or whispers sure, but we ignore you for a reason).

Honestly, just make the moderators look like regular users, and if they really do want to moderate, and not just have a gold medal, then they'll stay as they are.

This is why people don't like you guys, coz you do rub it in peoples faces, and select your friends (altho the promotion of faith challenges this notion, no other candidate does) to moderate.

Before you say "But new people would want to talk to an admin or moderator" - No, new users always type in lobby for help. Most of them don't even know how to whisper.

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Oh the ignorance haha
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the moderators get voted in when we have space for another one we look at the applications and have a vote so nothing to do with fav people
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Lol trix... U do vote for your fav tho ;) so essentially our fav is chosen. While it would be best if we could make the independent lobby users vote the mods in, it's simply not possible to do that. So mods vote... Better suggestion?
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Re: Shut down the Server ?

Post by Omega »

Lance, there was no anger whatsoever in my reply. I didn't have a lot of time to reply, and honestly, I still don't take your suggestion very seriously.

Jossos, although it might look like it, we didn't do the mod/admin thing for status.

We made moderators and administrators appear differently in the lobby for basically two reasons:
1) This is how it was *intended* to be implemented with the WONLobby -- we "borrowed" the moderator and administrator icons from there, even.
2) In the WONLobby, there were serious issues regarding authority, and knowing who had authority. I mean, random users who barely played, and just happened to be moderators of the VUG forum for the game having the power to set rules and ban players? Pretty fucked up, and it created serious issues.\
JT says: Cut that shit out or I'll ban you!
Offending user says: You're a fucking moronic pussy you little bitch. You have no power and are just pretending to be important... Insults continue.
*Offending user logs sometime in the future, and finds out they're banned. Oops.*

The way we did it, every user can see who the staff members are, and where that staff member falls on the hierarchy, so there aren't any issues with who does or doesn't have authority.

For quite awhile in the lobby, any administrator or moderator could be ignored, just like every single other user. You can blame some of the AoC Clique for the change that made ignore not work on staff members; they ignored warnings from moderators (as they had those mods on ignore), and then complained (quite vigorously, I might add) that it wasn't fair to punish them because they couldn't see the warnings. We made the change to insulate them from their own stupidity in that respect, and to stop their bitching.

In an ideal lobby with ideal players, mods and admins would be just like every user in their appearance and their ability to be ignored, I agree. We don't have that lobby though.
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is it possible to make lobby-chat and whispers "ignoreable" but warnings go through anyway (using warning chat function)? Perhaps that could fix the issue
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