Training / Competition

[uIwehFx]

Hey guys,
I am actually worrying about Save-ee a bit in the last few weeks. The amount of players in the lobby don’t drops, but the people are just in the lobby and they don’t play anymore. 45 players , maybe 12 in games... It always had been a point in EE that people went Afk , which is total acceptable, but it is getting more and more.
That means that there is not enough competition in EEc anymore. And the peoples skills are actually dropping as well. In the lobby least sets are played since ever, only pre , gren , liga , and the rest is just exceptions.

I personally think, save-ee needs a littel new system soon , to get the players ass up again. It is just so sad , that I get bored. I am hosting 1vs1's, so many sets and just no one joins.

We need a proper training area + Competition back in the game. We need a proper Training system up again, people should have fun being trained and Trainers should apply , it should be back to be part of the game to train each other.
Training system :
- Own homepage up
- Trainers for each set
- Homepage advertised

Whole ee should sign in, and everyone who is Trainer or Trainee, is going to get a rank for each set. Each different list with players ( all Trainers + Trainees ) for each different set with ranks from 1-10. So noobs start of with 1 , and while they are trained they will be ranked up.
The lists will be splinted up in to Trainers and Trainees. The Trainees will self decide their trainer from the list for each set, and will apply for them in the Forum.
Trying to work with a fixed Training time, will make it more successful. But not necessary, each Trainer will decide by himself.
There will be special rules for each Rank, Rank ups can then be requested by Trainers for Trainees. Trainers can compare with other players skills and ranks , so that we can fairly judge people.
The Forums should to be visited frequently if possible, by the majority of the people. Everyone should take part, though . As Trainer or Trainee, or even both, for each different set.

This system would bring competition and Training back in EE , and would be a great fun.
Just a simple phpBB forum would be very affective in this case. But we still would need the Help of save-ee staff , to advertise our forums first. It probably won't work straight away , but I would be really willing to put a lot of afford in this, for this game ! And i am sure my clan will help me, hopefully save-ee would be fine with it and help us out a bit as well.
We need to keep this game up again. I spoke for eec, training area will be for AoC as well, because i dont see enough AoC Mod tl's up anymore , which was such a strong set...

for the best RTS game ever

[Trichome Indica]

Positive Karma on Ideal. As a Mod I would be willing to promote this ideal in the form of advertising.
The more tools and resources available within the EE community, the better as far as i am concerned.
Hope it works and I am loving the enthusiasm and commitment you are showing here.

[Mythos]

In my opinion it's good idea =D ;D

[Omega]

Been there, done that.

Notice the training related forums on Save-EE? They were part of the EETRAIN (v2) forums, which is exactly the kind of thing you're suggesting.

[Hello0]

Hey guys,

I personally think, save-ee needs a littel new system soon , to get the players ass up again. It is just so sad , that I get bored. I am hosting 1vs1's, so many sets and just no one joins.

maybe its because a 4v4 with good players beats every 1v1

but btt: of course i am not happy bout ee's development but if they dont wanna play that game they dont wanna play it..u cant force them to..and a ranking system would maybe give some fun to ee's top players back... normal or "bad" players wont have a chance in this system ._.

[uIwehFx]

That is what happens when people do not read the post properly.
I didnt want a ranking system for player , who is better who powns more than the other one.

I Wanted to make LEVELS / Ranks, of skill, so that people can achieve something in the period of Train, it shouldnt show who is the king and who not, it just shows that you are willing to learn and that there is space to learn, people who just want to be arrogant and show off , can keep away, i want people who want to teach / learn. This is not compulsory, this is for people who want to get back in the game , let the community grow in terms of new good players. And this levels/ranks are necessary to get the moral up when you are once in the system...

And to Omegas post : Well the topic was there , but how much afford did the Save-ee staff put in this that people do this. This was a simple 'I apply as trainer ' and 'I apply as Trainee', it was unorganized and once they apllied it was the Trainers resposibility to take care , and the rest forgot.

I want to get this up with many people , and all people got their job kind off , people can creat timetables. To give it a bit more system. All in all the new forum would be much more extended and than the Train area here , and would offer an expanded system to that...
But I , as one person , can't get the whole community to do this

[Hello0]

O_o tbh: i stopped reading after "set with ranks from 1-10"

i am sry ..

well, try it.. gl and much fun with it

[Omega]

And to Omegas post : Well the topic was there , but how much afford did the Save-ee staff put in this that people do this. This was a simple 'I apply as trainer ' and 'I apply as Trainee', it was unorganized and once they apllied it was the Trainers resposibility to take care , and the rest forgot.

It seems like you're trying to ask a question, but didn't use a question mark, and then answered the question with something other than what actually happened in reality. So, to actually answer the question:

A shitload of effort was put into it, at least initially. It was extremely well advertised by the lobby bot, word of mouth, and links were put in the lobby announcement, as well as on Save-EE and EE-Reborn. I personally got about 20 people to sign up as trainers, set up the board, and created the lobby bot for advertising.

As for organization, the scheduling was organized from the bottom up. Then again, top-down organization really does not work. Practically no one is willing to either train at a set time every week or be trained at a set time every week. People's schedules vary, especially in the time they actually play EE because most people have plenty of other stuff to do with their free time. It simply does not make sense then, to insert a third party into the scheduling, because it's going to make things overly complicated--direct scheduling between the person doing the training and the person getting trained is most effective. As for the rest "forgetting" once someone got a trainer, you're also wrong, and it'd be very evident if you had ever checked out the hierarchy...

Either way, best of luck to your effort but it will ultimately fail. The vast majority of players requesting training simply are not that interested in it to actually make any kind of effort, and the vast majority of people who are going to apply to be trainers couldn't give a shit about actually training people and instead think it'll be something they can do only when they're bored and there are no other games for them to play in.

(I do find it funny how you're comparing your ideal-theorycraft system versus one that actually worked until everyone lost interest. I also find it funny that you say that the support of the save-ee staff is "needed", when it certainly isn't, since the original EETRAIN (v1) was launched and was quite successful on the old servers, without ANY help from the moderators at that time)

So, I have some questions for you to answer/consider:

1) How are you going to get your own homepage?
What will you include?
2) How do you plan on getting committed, competent trainers for each setting?
What will be the bar for accepting people as a trainer?
3) How do you plan on advertising your homepage?
4) How do you propose that trainers and trainees be ranked?
Who will assign these ranks and how? What are the specific criterion for each rank?
Who is allowed to increase or decrease the ranks of people?
5) It appears as if you're going to have the trainers put a schedule of when they're available to train people up. How exactly is this supposed to work considering we're talking about people's free time here, and their schedule will as such change on a very regular basis?
Also, how will be trainers be notified someone has signed up, and more importantly what are the limits on how long before a certain "open" time a trainee can sign up? Et cetera.
6) What kind of "special rules" for each rank are you referring to?
7) How do you plan on getting people to visit the forums regularly, and more importantly all participating there?

[uIwehFx]

Total missunderstand in any point i made basically.

First of all, the people lost interesst as well as the staff, i applyed around 3 weeks ago never got an answer...
And this is exactly what my point was, the poeple are not ment to loose interesst, we should try getting it up and make it part of the game, like the save-ee forums are now... And i think it will start of good, the people will loose interesst and you have to kick their ass up once again. Untill this is a part of the EE-community.

First of all , it is optional to do it...
You basically said that it is peoples free time, sure, but i think training and get trained is fun , it is games , it is communication, and later on we have more good players for the game, which is a benefit.
The timetable idea, was stated as an idea, and each Trainer can do it how ever he wants to , just an idea, not part of the system !
Next point, i never wanted to take a third party in, i wanted to say that the communication during the time of the training , should also be in the forums , sharing how it goes etc etc
to get the range of interesst of the forums up.
Next point, all this stuff ''How do you decide when people will be ranked up'', '' hoe do you decide who is a trainer'', experience, this is all about it. I know, and my clan members know , who is good enough to train people in sets , and who not.
The ranks will just be compared, like in any old clan as well. If you see that he gets better , and you see that a guy with approximatly the same skill , is on a level higher, you will be ranked up.
The Idea is not to start up fights, who is better , or that someone is a rank higher but you pown him ! The idea is to see change, to watch these people getting better.

Sooooo, Omega i never wanted to attack what you did before. If it is not going to work out , it wont work out. But a 2. chance should be there, for the game, for saving EE. And dont make fun of me when i said that i need the save-ee staff , I just dont want that the Train forums are the enemys of the Save-ee forums, because than it wont work out. We set up the lobby, we manage it, but we cant convince all people to join these forums.
Admins and Mods have the best option to advertise, with nice littel images and stuff like that.
I never wanted save-ee to take care and set up and help out in every corner , just in case that we see the people willing and have a try , i would just appreciate when save-ee would work a littel bit with us.

Even if the system is not gonna be better , or what ever you think about it really, i am still wondering that you are so against a idea that could make EE up a bit , if its work...
I dont really understand that you hate the idea itself so much...

[uIwehFx]

7) How do you plan on getting people to visit the forums regularly, and more importantly all participating there?

That is the only point were i really have to think of carefully, because that is the biggest problem

Probably you are right , it wont work , but that is the affords reason, only save-ee can make it work , only the staff and ideas , lots of ideas, only you have the oppertunities of a known forum and an impact on the people
Thatswhy i will just stop the try right here, this is kind of save-ee's work , to try that the community grows and that the noobs are not getting kicked form every game and dont leave after 2 days. I tried to help, MAYBE Save-ee staff thinks about this problem. It is kind of sad that you are just so bored of this, not even show any willing of helping here.
Sorry but this is disappointing me a bit.
I thought Save-ee stands for New ideas and new possiblities for the community...
Even if needed you have to found rules , or find ways to kind of make the people do stuff.
Make it a rule that people must participate as Trainer or Trainee, creat a patch that with every logg in the Forum of the training area will open, too. Creat patch that in the Lobby , 'Train' is one of the menu points, or what ever ideas you have. But ee should decrease more in player size...

[Ghost]

tl;dr

I'm not sure that you realize the amount of effort that was put into setting up the original training communities. Anything more than setting up a discussion forum and general information center requires a lot of man power (which we don't have). Also, we can't force people to become trainees. There's enough people willing to help, but only so many have the desire to learn. Building an elaborate training system for such little demand is a waste of time. It would be like building a shopping mall in the middle of the Sahara Desert.

[Trichome Indica]

If uIwehFx's enthusiasm and desire could be harnessed........
It would be nuclear.

[White Fang]

i think a ladder or ranking system would make me and maybe other players want to play more competitively ô.ô maybe even a forum section part where players just get screens and posted their victory and they get +1 ^^ on ranking points or something oO

[Sexacutioner]

i think a ladder or ranking system would make me and maybe other players want to play more competitively ô.ô maybe even a forum section part where players just get screens and posted their victory and they get +1 ^^ on ranking points or something oO

-1

[White Fang]

D= no u get a -2 !