I believe it is once again time

[simple_faith]

idk brah u can just give me administration in the lobby and ill ban anyone for u brah shitz ez like pie brah

[ben55]

imo just leave it as is. If you wish to play with tributes, just unpatch. Then repatch. Its a pain but will save ghost and megs from doing alot of unnecessary work.

Taking an already small community and splitting it further is a terrible idea. People shouldn't volunteer to be mods/admins if they are too lazy to do the work that you call unnecessary.

If it is truly a problem of laziness why don't you stop being lazy, unpatch your game, it takes literally one minute, and host a game without any modifications? Y'know since there are so many of you opposing this it shouldn't be a problem to find like minded players.

[d-dog]

imo just leave it as is. If you wish to play with tributes, just unpatch. Then repatch. Its a pain but will save ghost and megs from doing alot of unnecessary work.

Taking an already small community and splitting it further is a terrible idea. People shouldn't volunteer to be mods/admins if they are too lazy to do the work that you call unnecessary.

If it is truly a problem of laziness why don't you stop being lazy, unpatch your game, it takes literally one minute, and host a game without any modifications? Y'know since there are so many of you opposing this it shouldn't be a problem to find like minded players.

Us being lazy has nothing to do with it, its the others who are lazy, and if other people are too lazy to unpatch, good luck starting a game. If it was literally as easy as you say it is, I would only being joining unpatched games. It also brings up the topic of hosting, I can't host, along with a majority of others (a lot of them being older players), since I can't host, I don't even have the chance of starting the unpatched revolution. So don't say it is as easy as unpatching your game or being lazy, some of us don't even have the luxury of making a choice between unpatched and patched, we are forced by what others are hosting, other wise I would probably agree with you.

[ben55]

I don't understand it takes three buttons and about one minute out of their day to host something they enjoy more, why don't they do it? If people are that lazy then it is their own problem.

Your inability to host doesn't enhance your argument at all. Why should people that don't host be more important than people that can? Sucks for you that you disagree with the majority about the patch, but hey that's democracy you either win or lose. What you do with the results and situation is up to you.

Maybe ask some of your friends that can host to de-patch. It is really that easy to do.

[P-51]

If it is truly a problem of laziness why don't you stop being lazy, unpatch your game, it takes literally one minute, and host a game without any modifications? Y'know since there are so many of you opposing this it shouldn't be a problem to find like minded players.

If you read anything from the previous page I have already stated the problem with this.
And obviously there are many of us that hold this position so since the majority of players wish to have tributes shouldn't we be the ones that get what we want in the default patch update?

[Omega]

P51:
1) Can you explain your objection from the last page better? Because I don't see how your objection that patching and unpatching, when there's essentially zero barrier* to doing so splits the community, especially as the entire community can easily patch/unpatch, and everyone is on the same system still. (I'd understand this objection if we were still using the old MSI installers for patches, but that stopped like 2-3 versions ago...)

2) What data do you have to suggest "a majority of players wish to have tributes"? Although there hasn't been a new poll, in the last poll a majority of the community DID NOT support keeping tributes... Which is why we don't have them anymore. And, if a majority did it would be extremely easy for them to play with tributes by just unpatching...

Note(*): I realize that it takes maximum of 1 minute to patch/unpatch, although that's really like 10 seconds for most users. Either way, I say zero barrier since the time you're going to spend sitting in game staging for your average game is orders of magnitude greater than patching/unpatching, and it's not like you're going to be patching/unpatching before each and every single game anyway, since people tend to play in strings of games...

[ben55]

If it is truly a problem of laziness why don't you stop being lazy, unpatch your game, it takes literally one minute, and host a game without any modifications? Y'know since there are so many of you opposing this it shouldn't be a problem to find like minded players.

If you read anything from the previous page I have already stated the problem with this.
And obviously there are many of us that hold this position so since the majority of players wish to have tributes shouldn't we be the ones that get what we want in the default patch update?

The problem? All I got from what you said was.

A) Pointless flaming/trolling of Tricky.
B) Apparently there is a majority wanting the patch reverted, although I only see the same four or five people ever complain about it. Get more than the usual on here, and I'm sure they would do a re-vote, but when it is the same four people complaining you're not making the case for majority.
C) That this split the community. For one the community was split on this subject before, they held a few democratic votes. Three I believe all together, and the majority voted for this outcome.
D) That the people who create this lobby and upkeep it are lazy. Ignorance at it's finest.

That is all I got from your posts. Unless I'm missing some hidden underlying message.

Although rereading the thread was quite funny especially d-dogs hyperbole. Pedos, mass murderers, and ee tribute screen wonderful post.

I don't really care for the tribute screen being in or not from a gameplay point of view. I'm a one vs one player mostly, and I'm 90% of the time tributing/carrying people when it was in. Although I would rather play knowing the game is fair. I also think it makes the game more fun because it is less forgiving you have to help your allies rather than say, okay I'm gonna boom while you die and tribute you in a sec. That happened a lot in liga, mod tl, and p2n/s. My personal opinion, YMMV with the patch/tribute screen.

[P-51]

P51:
1) Can you explain your objection from the last page better?

It will split the community because a certain number of people will be playing without the patch and a certain number will want to keep the patch. This will decrease the amount of people that are able to play in each game which will end up decreasing the average number of players per game. There are players out there that only like to play 4v4s and the fact that 4v4s will be less prevalent would bother them. This would lead to some players quitting the game and the population of EE players would decrease, thus harming the community. It makes alot more sense for everybody to be playing the same game version when we are all using the same means to access our games.

2) What data do you have to suggest "a majority of players wish to have tributes"?

This thread.

Note(*): I realize that it takes maximum of 1 minute to patch/unpatch, although that's really like 10 seconds for most users. Either way, I say zero barrier since the time you're going to spend sitting in game staging for your average game is orders of magnitude greater than patching/unpatching, and it's not like you're going to be patching/unpatching before each and every single game anyway, since people tend to play in strings of games...

Why do you insist that the players are the lazy ones for not wanting to patch and unpatch when this thread clearly demonstrates that the mods are the lazy ones in this community. The fact that you guys refuse to execute a request from members of the community and redo the vote is far lazier than us, the players who actually care about EE and want what is best for the game.

[d-dog]

I don't understand it takes three buttons and about one minute out of their day to host something they enjoy more, why don't they do it? If people are that lazy then it is their own problem.

Your inability to host doesn't enhance your argument at all. Why should people that don't host be more important than people that can? Sucks for you that you disagree with the majority about the patch, but hey that's democracy you either win or lose. What you do with the results and situation is up to you.

Maybe ask some of your friends that can host to de-patch. It is really that easy to do.

I don't give a fuck about the majority, nor did I ever say I thought the majority favored unpatched. My point was being that since I can't host, I have no opportunities to play unpatched, simply because no one hosts them, my inability to host renders me useless in this aspect. And I would ask some of my friends, but most of them don't play anymore... nor could a lot of them host in the first place...

The only reason there is a majority for patched is because people are still under the impression that if the patch was removed, cheaters would run rampant. Yea, there would be the occasional offender here and there, and I guarentee the majority of these people would be known offenders or players newer to the game. If cheating was such a problem in the past, I mean its not like its hard to spot (in majority of the cases), why would they stop just because of the patch? Trainers still exist, and are much easier to use than eco glitching, why havn't we seen a rise in this?

Honestly, do you guys even have reasons for keeping the patch besides cheating, there has to be something I'm missing here

Although rereading the thread was quite funny especially d-dogs hyperbole. Pedos, mass murderers, and ee tribute screen wonderful post.

So what if I exaggerated it a bit, the only intention was to get my point across to the people who were lead to believe by extreme measures that cheating was a major threat to our community.

[ben55]

P51:
1) Can you explain your objection from the last page better?

It will split the community because a certain number of people will be playing without the patch and a certain number will want to keep the patch. This will decrease the amount of people that are able to play in each game which will end up decreasing the average number of players per game. There are players out there that only like to play 4v4s and the fact that 4v4s will be less prevalent would bother them. This would lead to some players quitting the game and the population of EE players would decrease, thus harming the community. It makes alot more sense for everybody to be playing the same game version when we are all using the same means to access our games.

2) What data do you have to suggest "a majority of players wish to have tributes"?

This thread.

Note(*): I realize that it takes maximum of 1 minute to patch/unpatch, although that's really like 10 seconds for most users. Either way, I say zero barrier since the time you're going to spend sitting in game staging for your average game is orders of magnitude greater than patching/unpatching, and it's not like you're going to be patching/unpatching before each and every single game anyway, since people tend to play in strings of games...

Why do you insist that the players are the lazy ones for not wanting to patch and unpatch when this thread clearly demonstrates that the mods are the lazy ones in this community. The fact that you guys refuse to execute a request from members of the community and redo the vote is far lazier than us, the players who actually care about EE and want what is best for the game.

LOL. Four people is a majority? Dude all you have to do is ask on the lobby client, if people are upset have them post on here. Prove there is a majority, they have said multiple times if you supply the support/date that there should be a re vote they would. Not the same people complaining over and over. Calling them lazy?! LOL dude you are the one complaining for change and that there is this majority, but you are too LAZY to show any data or proof, other than your constant bitching. Holy shit so much ignorance and hypocrisy in that; I have to ask, do you dress yourself in the morning?!

I don't understand you d-dog. They had three votes and nearly a month to decide what they wanted. Maybe they like the new play style? Or maybe they like the idea of not having to worry about "what if". They voted for the outcome and if people are truly upset do what I said above. Sorry for your situation, and trainers are x100000000 to detect than eco glitching, that is why people never used them. One phrase will bust a trainer.

Basically all I'm getting from your two's attitude is "I HATE THIS SHIT, SO CHANGE IT BECAUSE IT IS SUCKS FOR ME IDC IF THERE WAS A VOTE OR NOT THIS SHIT SUCKS"

Get some people other than the four or five who always complain about this. Show that you have a decent amount wanting the change, and I promise you they would do a re-vote.

[lightnessking.]

Another hater on p-51, good, i'm not alone.

[[-Ts-] Tricky]

Poor trix in the hate line

just my thoughts tho so all relax and chill

[LacRimoSa]

I'm for tributes.
However, I'm not going to join the discussion, since history has shown that there's no sense in argueing in this matter.

Just a few words; there are basically always the same people discussing, on the pro and on the contra side. The poll has shown what the majority want. True. But time has passed and player left and some joined our community. It's probably time to consider a new vote.

LacRi

[ben55]

I agree Lacri, but I understand why they don't organize a new vote, when outside of a handful of people have shown support for it. If people are so certain there is a new super majority(2/3rds) in favor of reverting get more than a handful of people to say so.

Why should they go through the effort to put up a new vote when so little have voiced out against. Get some people outside of the regulars to say hey we want another vote.

Like they're exclaiming laziness when all power is in their hands. Get some people to post or message an admin in game in favor of change. Don't make hollow claims that "I assume the vote could be different." Show a decent supporting cast and they will re vote no problem, but why make Ghost and Omega go through all that work when such little outcry is being made.

Direct people to this thread if you believe, "I believe it is once again time". Show some community support. Since you're so sure this will get changed. Takes five minutes to make an account or message an admin on the lobby client. I'm sure they would forward your concern.

[d-dog]

Basically all I'm getting from your two's attitude is "I HATE THIS SHIT, SO CHANGE IT BECAUSE IT IS SUCKS FOR ME IDC IF THERE WAS A VOTE OR NOT THIS SHIT SUCKS"

Basically all I'm getting from your attitude is "I HATE THIS SHIT, OMG CHEATERS EVERYWHERE, LIKE SOOOO MANY, LIKE CAN'T EVEN PLAY A SINGLE GAME WITHOUT SOMEONE ECO GLITCHING! I DON'T CARE IF WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE ORIGINAL GAME OR ANYTHING, I MEAN MOST OF THE PPL IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE ONLY PLAYED LIKE A COUPLE MONTHS WHEN THE SERVERS WERE UP, THIS SHIT SUX, FUCK EE, CHEATERS WERE SUCH A PROBLEM IN THE PAST LIKE OMG, EE IS LIKE THE ONLY GAME WITH CHEATERS IN IT! WHEN I PLAY COUNTERSTRIKE OR ANY OTHER GAME I NEVER ENCOUNTER CHEATERS, OMG SO MANY ON EE, HELP!"

Would much rather play the original ee, and deal with the occasional cheater. Why the hell do we even have as many moderators as we do now, "omg gotta save the ee community from that porn link, o no he said the n word, that never happens on the internet, just doing my part man, saving one ee soul at a time"

I shouldn't have to gather up people to get a vote up to revert back to the original game. The ee economy is completely destroyed with the patch, there are no 'comebacks' anymore, no more major turns in war, your losing? well tuff luck kid, your dead, even tho your allies on the other side are holding their own and have plenty of unused resources. Before if one side was dying, well, just tribute them. Now in order to save someone you have to go across the map with your army, o look u just got base raped. EE has become dull and predictable. We may be getting rid of "mass amount of cheaters" but we are also getting rid of an important aspect of the game, less strategy, less teamwork (I know I'm not coming across the map to save your ass until my enemy is gone) I can name so many more things, but this is already getting long.

If you are wondering why I'm so passionate about getting this patched removed, I'll tell you, this is strictly my opinon. There are two major aspects of ee, economy and military, you can add as many subgroups as you want, but they will all lead to one of those two. How does teamwork work with military, well you send your army to your ally obviously. How does teamwork work with an economy, receiving and sending tributes. I truly don't think the majority of people that play empire earth these days understand how much is being removed from the game, that is why I believe people would rather have the patch that removes the occasional cheater then have tributes which they understand little about, the majority of players in the lobby are newer to the game and don't comprehend this.

Hold another vote, but this time inform the people what is actually being take away, not just OMG PATCH, NO CHEATERS, ITS JUST TRIBUTE GUYS, U DONT RLY NEED LOL. There's an opportunity cost for everything, do you think the people who made ee never pondered on this idea before? They knew what they would be removing, and trusted their moderators to take care of people who abused the feature.