Kazter wrote:
No. I look at KrasS being better than you in ever setting wing/pocket. Don't expect much "backing up" in the same thread you're disrespecting my clan mate in (Lightnessking). Honestly herik just take a step back and relax. Only reason taco keeps going is because you're feeding him. If you had ignored him the first time you would have saved a lot of energy. Not to mention it looks like you're sending insults in every direction at the moment.
This is not a fight you can win.
Which swordrush would you consider best of the best herik?
All of which I say is the honest truth.
Well try and look it as my perspective, considering I've only had 2 "1 vs 1"games with him which were both swords vs swords (rush)?, and I saw and experienced, that we were both doing cit for cit, swords for swords, what do you expect me to say? I beat him, but I am way under his level? No.
I'm actually going to tell you how I beat him, there will be no over exaggeration-
So was a good old 1v1 sword slut vs swords slut, now 90% of you are going to judge my old swords strat, just because it wasn't the meta, but it will always be the first sword slut strat that I had made, I'm only going to tell you the differences not going to go in depth of the strat. 3 cits on each barracks, rest of the capitals 4 cits go to wood (NOT HUNT/HIPPO). 1 tower each iron, 2 towers for forage, 6 cits from tower making go to hunt, other 3 go to forage, and 3 cits from capital, thats basically all you need to know.
So the game begins, it was no joke, cit for cit, sword for sword, it eventually cooled down because he had walled, so that he could get a decent population of cits again, I on the other hand, went for military, because I knew I wouldn't be able to out pop/boom him, so I continued making as much swords as i could, AND because i had sent cits to tree, instead of hippos, i was able to make a seige factory/seige tower. I went to his base at around 7-9 fll, poped my swords over and won, simply because he went for eco instead of military. If it had not been for my cits going to wood first and not hippo, I most likely would of not won, but I'm sure you can see why I say his and my rush are equal, we both hurt each other equally, but in the end the game won on decisions.
As for lightness been your clan member, LOL, oh and kaz just to catch you up, he insulted me first, but ok.
And as for this clan issue you have, eC's been dead for years, I never told you this, but many ex-eC members (who quit, not got kicked out) have told me, the only REAL clan members are the "big 4", nVm, Kirac, golden, krass. The rest are mealy pawns and players who fill up the lobby space with the clan tag. I would actually like to know do you even speak/play with any of these 4. Do you have to say hi first or do they openly greet you. Oh and not too long ago an eC member(Still eC) told me, that you new eC members would be kicked out straight away if the big 4 returned. Himmy, dave, assys and buddah, zero, myst and sam are probably the only members that can comfortably say, that they played and know all 4.
And i don't say this to insult, I'm just trying to open your eyes, and I'm sorry to the eC members that I do respect and am friends with on this game, but it's simply the truth. Just remember I'm not coming up with some lie. More then one player has told me the exact thing, (on different cds).
Oh who are the best sword rushes (That I can remember) I've played with/against that's easy:
witchking(dave), Seizmic, Lavanger, SluT Capt (both very good 1v1 and 2v2 players.), kirac was a solid wing to vs in some 3v3 we did. Omega I played once (I believe you were there), and he'd played like he'd only taken a couple of days off, hate to imagine how he'd play when he was active. XtC, Holly, Himmy- was always fun to play, Assys- a solid sword masser. Even kaz and lightness have grown to become good sword rushers. (And no I'm not sucking up, as all of this is from experience).
Samuel wrote:Well... he's become one of the best european players on sc2 and a professional gamer .... how can you call him overrated?
Maybe you could say something like "well I think X and Y are better than him, but still Krass is really good", that would be perfectly fine I think, though calling him overrated is quite exaggerated to me.
And damn, wish Krass and Goldi played each other in 2010 ;/
All i can say to this sam, is that many of the top liga players didn't even hear of him. By the time he had risen, most of the renowned expert liga players had left the game. (when I say most, I say this because I was told in the earlier years there were around 2k players on eec). I was also told by a former pro player who had left eec at 2003-2004, who had put everything into the game, and will now not return, (he plays LoL now.) He trained cobra.
Captain Nemo wrote:
Some could be better sure. But to say alot would probably reach that level is still laughable. Especially since he included himself. It's really only those that are currently best in their field who can complaim about lack of competition And I don't believe herik is top of his field. At all.
On a side note. Yes krass is overrated by some, because they're putting him in a godlike position. But rating him amongst the best ee players ever is not to overrate him imo. At least for liga
Why shouldn't I include myself? Taco taught me how to rush in this new lobby, and I beat krass in a 1v1 who had probably played 1000's of 1v1 in the past. No I'm sorry nemo but, there was nothing wrong with including myself in this part. When i was in serria lobby, I played a handful of mid which consisted of long bows with path every game. I hadn't touched a sword till this new lobby (mind you i hadn't even learnt of civ ups until a year had past (out of the 2 years, i was only 13 and this was my first online RTS multiplayer game.)), I was a faithful scen player in those 2 years. I really don't think you can judge the "new players" as we had no idea what kind of expert games were played. As for me well nemo, I'de have to disagree with you saying that I would not become good. When Seizmic, elite, enigma, kurt, taco, pyro, peasent ect played, I designed my strat to work agasint aoc players which it did. I had in fact only played a handful of pro eec mid games which was slowly coming to an end of eec mid.
ben45 wrote:Kazter wrote:
To me KrasS is only famous for his CA's when it comes to micro. I remember when I first started 1v1ing Elite and Lavanger in Middle they told me: "Don't go CA unless you micro like KrasS in 1vs1".
Purely for the fact that not many players know how to use cav archer correctly except for a selected few to beat swords, however most people know how to mass swords but then again from my perspective most waste swords vs cavarcher because they have no idea how to beat a decent cav archer player, hence why krass dominated aoc middle, idiots doing sword booms vs him 1v1 agaisnt cav archer rush, and since rushing wasn't preffered they werent as strong with it, i don't believe krass has the best cav archer's in the game, but i believe he has a very good knowledge on how to beat a player with cav archer whether what unit they are(smart player) , aoc middle players(slow dumb)
Ben 45 beat me to it, but he is correct from what i read, which i forget what thread it is now, you may remember, but it was basically, aoc was all about exp and booming, not many players rushed it was just the meta of that time.
apart from that i totally agree)
Pelie is most under rated player gg no re proooost
