Arntzen wrote: ↑
Wed May 20, 2020 8:23 pm
From what I remember I said I never heard you mentioned in any discussion about the best liga players.
Here is another problem:
seizmic wrote: ↑
Wed May 20, 2020 8:00 pm
In fact, assuming Krass was bad in 2004 but not 2006, for instance, is a perfect example of what I'm saying.
Did I say otherwise?
Your way of honest conversation includes a hell of a lot of patronizing comments and ridicule.
Here is my argument and it's very simple:
From my POV returning experts have not been able to keep up with the current best (say since 2014-present) except for very few. The vast majority however, of old school experts returning get stomped. Even the ones that stay for months. This, coupled with the fact that everyone from eC who played longer than I did, are saying the level today is higher leads me to believe it is so.
I am not:
Saying achievements by people before 2014 doesn't matter.
Saying if an older player came back and practiced he wouldn't be able to catch up.
Lol @ I'm too lazy to go check so I'll take your word for it.
I mean you expect me to be cordial and non patronizing after replying to 1/10th of my post to laugh at me, call me stupid and accuse me of trolling? Pot kettle black, no?
You didn't outright say otherwise in reference to 04 krass vs 06 krass but it's heavily implied, yes. You talk about "prior to 06" and "04 Krass" which are specific time frames.
I'll stop the insults now, okay?
@returning experts...how long did it take you consistently playing to become as good as you are now? You think an expert coming back after 6-14 years is going to be anywhere close to what they were? So many things could have happened in that time frame too, people actually age in that timespan, you lose a % of brain cells every single year, reaction speed drops, motivation, emotional aspects etc etc
You simply can't use that as accurate proof of anything.
In fact, I think I played for two days in 2014 after not playing competitively since 06 and only having a handful of games in 2012. I lost 3-2 to Krass in mid sh 1v1s. I 1v1'd out of pure boredom, Krass had legitimate motivation to beat me. By all rights he should have utterly crushed me, don't you agree?
Then again, me pointing that out holds as much weight against your argument as you pointing out returning experts get dominated does against mine. So it's simply all moot.
I understand your point but I disagree with it and I think my reasoning holds legitimate weight.
Either way, can we agree with this:
Even IF the era is of higher calibre today, deciding who the undisputed best player of EE history is an exercise in futility and the effort spent would be better put into actually discussing many different players and what made them stand out above their peers? Along with the games rich online competitive history.
For me, Icestorm is the the best of all time and he stopped his dominant 1v1 reign in early 05 in order to strengthen the community and build a great culture of competitive 4v4 games, which he did, brilliantly and we all owe him our thanks for keeping the game going as long as it has, I promise you without him there would be even less players than there currently are. That transcends 1v1s, for me, which he paid his dues in any way.
You haven't addressed my issue with how people like you and Witchking conduct yourselves in relation to EEs player lineage either, compared to other players that were at the top echelon of the games competitive scene and never once felt the need to claim their era is superior to the previous experts of the past who played and dominated but are no longer active.
If I come across like a prick, it's not personal, it's just me but I'm not trying to troll/insult you.