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GR(Game Ranger) is god awful.

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Re: GR(Game Ranger) is god awful.

Postby Arntzen » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:16 am

AEnima wrote:There was so much personality, rivalry, and bromancing.

I agree with this, and it had a lot of pros. Though I'd also like to point out that there were a lot more trolling, trash talk, crying, drama and in general bad behavior on AOC. We'd get a game going and then one player decided to go perma-camouflage fire arrow (you remember that glitch?) which would then piss someone on the other team off. Next game that guy who's now on tilt decided to go pathfinding plague swords. Which would make someone else tilt...
Also there was a lot more common for people to just randomly alt f4 or wall allied mines etc. I'm not saying this would never happen on EEC, just a lot more common on AOC.
herik wrote:Let's talk about currently...who the top eec players would be?

If you're talking about 2016 I'd say every top player except for Krass is incredibly inconsistent. So IMO he's clear #1. The next three spots is between me, sam, dave, gurke and nafra. Ye.. eC dominates.
_DavE_ wrote:Idk where the likes of Nafrayu or Zen would be, EE or Aoc?

I'm definitely EEC. I play both, but since I came from EEC (2004-2008) I'd never consider myself AOCer. Not sure about Nafra but I assume he consider himself as EEC too.
_DavE_ wrote:This is the one I would disagree with 100%. Back in my time, I didn't lose Cav Exp vs Regular Swords, You'll be surprised by how much pressure you can put on, and how fast you can mass cavs with exp. You would start building a 3rd archery at 5 f11. Of course, this is going back years to my time.

Are you implying that you could put more pressure on with EXP than regular CA civ? I dno how you started, but from what I've seen pretty much everyone started 2 TCs with a EXP+Gold civ which doesn't have WC or Building CR. To survive CA vs Sword you basically need perfect play the first F11 10, and here the regular civ is better. After F11 10 the EXP civ is a lot better of course, but I can't imagine anyone getting that far without taking serious damage.
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Re: GR(Game Ranger) is god awful.

Postby _DavE_ » Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:05 pm

Though I'd also like to point out that there were a lot more trolling, trash talk, crying, drama and in general bad behaviour on AOC


This is what made playing AOC so interesting Imo, If you took the trash talking and drama with a pinch of salt, It was good fun.

EE can be quite dull at times.

And very rarely did someone deliberately troll in a 4v4 game from my experience.

I can't remember exactly how I started, but you can apply just as much pressure with Cav Exp as you can without.
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Re: GR(Game Ranger) is god awful.

Postby tool » Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:51 pm

but since I came from EEC (2004-2008


lol!

plague swords, no. triple plagued swords, yes.
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Re: GR(Game Ranger) is god awful.

Postby Arntzen » Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:55 pm

_DavE_ wrote:I can't remember exactly how I started, but you can apply just as much pressure with Cav Exp as you can without.

I don't understand how that's physically possible.
tool wrote:plague swords, no. triple plagued swords, yes.

Whats the difference? Better that just one do this and the rest play normal..
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Re: GR(Game Ranger) is god awful.

Postby tool » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:04 pm

you misunderstand
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Re: GR(Game Ranger) is god awful.

Postby _DavE_ » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:22 pm

Cause of the early archery range. It's basically the same as your EE cav tc start.
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Re: GR(Game Ranger) is god awful.

Postby AEnima » Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:24 pm

tool wrote:you misunderstand


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Re: GR(Game Ranger) is god awful.

Postby tool » Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:08 pm

sup calv, didn't see you on lobby? don't tell me you are playing the cancer that is GR :ncool:
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Re: GR(Game Ranger) is god awful.

Postby AEnima » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:48 pm

nah dawg wuz good. Don't even have GR installed. I log in lobby almost every day just to see wazz^ though
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Re: GR(Game Ranger) is god awful.

Postby Danger » Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:19 pm

If my memory is correct, Nafrayu = himmel? Ya? If so, he rarely played mid on AoC. I mostly played mod tl with him and he was a strong player. But there were also a lot of strong mod players so team games were pretty fair and toss ups. Only in 2v2/1v1 did some mod players really stand out and I think himmel was up there but like I said my memory is so shot.

I also think as the game died down more dominant players emerged. Phobia was always a top mod player but it wasn't until the days of when Symbols dwindled to a handful of mid players did zeke really stand out as a game changer in a 4v4.

I also forgot half of my friends list so I used zeke as an example.

edit: ya i barely remember much other than eC and other euros like omega and fly dance were top mod tl pockets. But i still don't think himmel played much aoc mid.
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Re: GR(Game Ranger) is god awful.

Postby _DavE_ » Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:33 am

Well for starters, Omega is American and fly_dance is from Taiwan?
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Re: GR(Game Ranger) is god awful.

Postby Danger » Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:30 pm

They always played in Ric and Yuri's games so I assumed they were euro. The bigger question is, nafra = himmel?
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Re: GR(Game Ranger) is god awful.

Postby lightnessking. » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:00 pm

^ Yes.
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Re: GR(Game Ranger) is god awful.

Postby signal » Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:56 am

Arntzen wrote:PS. Never forget: Top 4 Mid EEC players would wipe the floor against top 4 Mid AOC players in both games. :D


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Re: GR(Game Ranger) is god awful.

Postby Arntzen » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:59 am

Signal being back, and us playing some Mid Sh games on AoC made me want to re-read this thread. I've got mixed feelings about that decision since there were some really good bits and discussions, but I also had to re-discover so many of my cringeworthy comments. It's funny how I've always felt that I know my stuff when it comes to EE, but every time I look back I realize how limited I was. Guess that means I'm still learning.
I've also had a tendency to state what I think as a fact, instead of showing some humility and just simply ask. Which is probably a habbit I still possess, to a certain degree.

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Arntzen wrote:PS. Never forget: Top 4 Mid EEC players would wipe the floor against top 4 Mid AOC players in both games. :D


Hahhahahahhaahhhahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahaha


Like I told you in lobby Signal, out of all the quotes of mine you could've picked you picked one of the few I still agree with. Well.. At least if we change it to "I THINK top 4 Mid EEC players would wipe the floor with top 4 Mid AOC players in both games."
I even managed to sneak in the right phrase this time! :)
I guess I should elaborate on exactly what I mean, because after some reflection I realize it's not exactly a fair comparison to make.
In my mind "Top 4 Mid EEC" means hand picking the four best EEC Mid players, in their peak. In theory this means you could pick Player A who was at his best in 2005, on the same team as Player BCD who where at their best in 2018, for example. So we're pretty much in fantasy land already.
Now based on the players I think would be top 4, all of them stayed active much longer than any of the top 4 players you or Dave mentioned would be on the AoC team.
I think because of the fact we've stayed much longer, also learning and getting to "Expert" level of most settings, where we picked up things we could use in Middle. I've for example learned much more about scouting from Liga, and more about map control from DM. Both these examples are something I've added to my Mid Sh game play.
Not to mention someone like KrasS who played thousands of competitive SC2 games (SC2 came out in 2010) and got to high GM level there, then came back to EE with 6000 PS and just over all crazy abilities.
Of course the problem with doing this comparison in the first place, is that I haven't really seen the top 4 AoC players in their respective peak eras. And pretty much everyone who has, haven't really seen the top 4 Mid EEC players in their respective peak eras either.
I mean, even in this thread we can see Seizmic talking down Elite as if Elite has no idea what he's talking about. Those guys even played together, but I guess Elite peaked after Seizmic left, and therefor Seizmic has the wrong idea about him.

I might consider making an in depth analysis of my current thoughts about Middle SH, with the possibility that I'll look back in a couple of years and cringe at it like I've done some of my older commets here. xD
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