I believe it is once again time

[simple_faith]

Basically all I'm getting from your two's attitude is "I HATE THIS SHIT, SO CHANGE IT BECAUSE IT IS SUCKS FOR ME IDC IF THERE WAS A VOTE OR NOT THIS SHIT SUCKS"

Basically all I'm getting from your attitude is "I HATE THIS SHIT, OMG CHEATERS EVERYWHERE, LIKE SOOOO MANY, LIKE CAN'T EVEN PLAY A SINGLE GAME WITHOUT SOMEONE ECO GLITCHING! I DON'T CARE IF WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE ORIGINAL GAME OR ANYTHING, I MEAN MOST OF THE PPL IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE ONLY PLAYED LIKE A COUPLE MONTHS WHEN THE SERVERS WERE UP, THIS SHIT SUX, FUCK EE, CHEATERS WERE SUCH A PROBLEM IN THE PAST LIKE OMG, EE IS LIKE THE ONLY GAME WITH CHEATERS IN IT! WHEN I PLAY COUNTERSTRIKE OR ANY OTHER GAME I NEVER ENCOUNTER CHEATERS, OMG SO MANY ON EE, HELP!"

Would much rather play the original ee, and deal with the occasional cheater. Why the hell do we even have as many moderators as we do now, "omg gotta save the ee community from that porn link, o no he said the n word, that never happens on the internet, just doing my part man, saving one ee soul at a time"

I shouldn't have to gather up people to get a vote up to revert back to the original game. The ee economy is completely destroyed with the patch, there are no 'comebacks' anymore, no more major turns in war, your losing? well tuff luck kid, your dead, even tho your allies on the other side are holding their own and have plenty of unused resources. Before if one side was dying, well, just tribute them. Now in order to save someone you have to go across the map with your army, o look u just got base raped. EE has become dull and predictable. We may be getting rid of "mass amount of cheaters" but we are also getting rid of an important aspect of the game, less strategy, less teamwork (I know I'm not coming across the map to save your ass until my enemy is gone) I can name so many more things, but this is already getting long.

If you are wondering why I'm so passionate about getting this patched removed, I'll tell you, this is strictly my opinon. There are two major aspects of ee, economy and military, you can add as many subgroups as you want, but they will all lead to one of those two. How does teamwork work with military, well you send your army to your ally obviously. How does teamwork work with an economy, receiving and sending tributes. I truly don't think the majority of people that play empire earth these days understand how much is being removed from the game, that is why I believe people would rather have the patch that removes the occasional cheater then have tributes which they understand little about, the majority of players in the lobby are newer to the game and don't comprehend this.

Hold another vote, but this time inform the people what is actually being take away, not just OMG PATCH, NO CHEATERS, ITS JUST TRIBUTE GUYS, U DONT RLY NEED LOL. There's an opportunity cost for everything, do you think the people who made ee never pondered on this idea before? They knew what they would be removing, and trusted their moderators to take care of people who abused the feature.

damn derek brah, your going at it brah no fear whatsoever brah i like your style mang

[P-51]

LOL. Four people is a majority? Dude all you have to do is ask on the lobby client, if people are upset have them post on here. Prove there is a majority, they have said multiple times if you supply the support/date that there should be a re vote they would. Not the same people complaining over and over. Calling them lazy?! LOL dude you are the one complaining for change and that there is this majority, but you are too LAZY to show any data or proof, other than your constant bitching.

In this thread I found six for tributes and three against. The lazy ass mods/admins don't count because they're only saying no because they want to get out of doing the work that they signed up for. We've had this discussion in the past and you know that there are more than six of us that want the tributes back. If they would only redo the vote we would stop bringing it up. You're acting like this is the fucking stock market or something. What kinds of data and proof do you want? The only way you're going to get that data is if the mods redo the vote. I don't see you making any valid arguments against anybody here. Have you even said why you don't want the tributes back? I can't imagine why any real EE player would want to take out such a major part of the game.

Holy shit so much ignorance and hypocrisy in that; I have to ask, do you dress yourself in the morning?!

It is statements like these that give you a very low level of credibility. Try saying things that make sense in the future. If anyone displays hypocrisy it is you, being unable to prove my ignorance in your obnoxiously pointless rant.

I don't understand you d-dog. They had three votes and nearly a month to decide what they wanted. Maybe they like the new play style? Or maybe they like the idea of not having to worry about "what if". They voted for the outcome and if people are truly upset do what I said above. Sorry for your situation, and trainers are x100000000 to detect than eco glitching, that is why people never used them. One phrase will bust a trainer.

Proof p10x.

Basically all I'm getting from your two's attitude is "I HATE THIS SHIT, SO CHANGE IT BECAUSE IT IS SUCKS FOR ME IDC IF THERE WAS A VOTE OR NOT THIS SHIT SUCKS"

I wonder what the makers of EE would say if they knew that their game is getting torn apart like this. The game was meant to be played with tributes. Eco glitching is not a serious enough side effect of this to be omitting such a major part of the game.

[Omega]

I haven't counted the numbers in this thread, you're totally right P-51. Either way, I'll tentatively accept what you claim about 6 people in this thread wanting tributes, and 3 not wanting tributes. So what? It's 9 people compared to ~450 who voted in the final poll. And the 6 you're talking about are holding the exact same opinion as they did when they voted in that final poll.

From this thread, there's no indication a majority of people want a new vote. There's no indication anyone has changed their minds in any direction at all. And you want a new vote based on that? Give me a break.

We'll do a new vote if there's actually some indication a fair amount of people have changed their minds (in either direction), or an indication that a significant amount of people want a new vote. 6 people, the same 6 people who have wanted new votes to be done ever since the instant the last vote they didn't like the outcome of was concluded, is pretty unconvincing and isn't going to get a new vote.

[simple_faith]

redothevotespleasethnx

[P-51]

Omega, I know you admins/mods aren't in touch with the community but surely you are aware that since the last vote, numerous players have quit playing, came back to EE, and have become introduced to EE for the first time. The amount of time elapsed is enough reason to consider redoing the vote.

[ben55]

@P51 LOL, unable to prove your ignorance/hypocrisy?

You call them "lazy" when you have done NOTHING for this game but complain, and the one the thing you complain about you have done NOTHING to prove/support accept basic assumptions.

??? We've had this conversation in the past it has been the EXACT same people arguing about it. Go look at the threads it is the same people minus one or two from each side. Every single time.

The only way to get data? Holy shit is it so hard to ask these mass amount of people to "whisper" a moderator or admin, or even sign up on here and post. Since there is such an uproar about changing. Like y'know that's how this whole thing started. People asking and causing an uproar about ways to prevent cheating. They showed enough support and got the vote they asked for. You can do the same thing since there is a precedent.

Apparently they don't mind @ all about mods/addons, which is all this is, since they supported ee-heavan's mods/addons which some of them had far more radical changes than this. This is during the WONLobby too. All this is a mod/addon that you can turn on or off. Now if you were forced to play on this version(which you are not) I would agree with you.

Prove your ignorance? Hah I don't have to prove anything people just have to read your posts.

[ben55]

Basically all I'm getting from your two's attitude is "I HATE THIS SHIT, SO CHANGE IT BECAUSE IT IS SUCKS FOR ME IDC IF THERE WAS A VOTE OR NOT THIS SHIT SUCKS"

Basically all I'm getting from your attitude is "I HATE THIS SHIT, OMG CHEATERS EVERYWHERE, LIKE SOOOO MANY, LIKE CAN'T EVEN PLAY A SINGLE GAME WITHOUT SOMEONE ECO GLITCHING! I DON'T CARE IF WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE ORIGINAL GAME OR ANYTHING, I MEAN MOST OF THE PPL IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE ONLY PLAYED LIKE A COUPLE MONTHS WHEN THE SERVERS WERE UP, THIS SHIT SUX, FUCK EE, CHEATERS WERE SUCH A PROBLEM IN THE PAST LIKE OMG, EE IS LIKE THE ONLY GAME WITH CHEATERS IN IT! WHEN I PLAY COUNTERSTRIKE OR ANY OTHER GAME I NEVER ENCOUNTER CHEATERS, OMG SO MANY ON EE, HELP!"

I don't really care for the tribute screen being in or not from a gameplay point of view. I'm a one vs one player mostly, and I'm 90% of the time tributing/carrying people when it was in. Although I would rather play knowing the game is fair. I also think it makes the game more fun because it is less forgiving you have to help your allies rather than say, okay I'm gonna boom while you die and tribute you in a sec. That happened a lot in liga, mod tl, and p2n/s. My personal opinion, YMMV with the patch/tribute screen.

I do like that aspect true, but I actually enjoy not having tributes to fall back on in team games. Did I outright disclaim one of the other no. Which is exactly what you are doing. Hey it's your viewpoint not mine, but good job with hyperbole you're great @ that it seems just like my nine year old son.

For about the tenth time, if people are so upset GET ALL THESE PEOPLE TO SEND A TELL TO A MOD/ADMIN AND THEY WILL GLADLY ACKNOWLEDGE IT, BUT IT IS CRAZY TO THINK OF THEM TO ACCEPT YOUR ASSUMPTIONS WITHOUT ANY DATA OR SUPPORT TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS, IS THAT NOT COMMON SENSE?

Six people in a thread is not proof of a majority, especially when it is the same six who have been against this since it's inception.

[d-dog]

Why does everyone, when they quote me, start babbling on about "the majority" how many times do I have to tell you, DONT. GIVE. A. FUCK. ABOUT. THE. MAJORITY. They are all fucking retarded, and have been lead to believe

Omega's recycled arguements against mine, this was in the patch section fyi

Subtype of above argument: Without tributes, people won't be able to rebuild and many games will be lost because of it!
Reponse: They can't do it either. So, why not actually prevent your allies from getting pwned to the point they need to rebuild? Yeah the "teamwork" of feeding them resources and forgetting about them is gone, and it has to be replaced with the actual teamwork of defending your allies. More importantly, when someone on your team dies to the point of needing to rebuild this means the other team is winning. You're loosing. Why not play better in the first place?

So basically all this long passage is saying is DONT FUCKING SUCK. GET SUM SKILL KID LOOOLOL, nice argument brah. You make tributing sound like its worse than fucking cheating for fucks sake. You make it sound so simple as well, is your ally dying?? O well maybe you shouldn't fucking suck and start helping him some more, man. If I honestly have to type out some examples of why you are wrong, you honestly havn't been playing the same game I have been all these years.

Subtype of above subtype: No tributes = no teamwork!
Response: Because obviously, the ability to work together as a team is dependent on tributing your allies vast sums of stuff because you can't plan who will make a coli, or can't properly defend your bases as a team, removes teamwork. Oh wait, no it encourages more real teamwork. Tributing and working as a team clearly are not mutually exclusive. It's blatantly obvious and utterly retarded anyone would suggest they are--just one example is attacking with your ally. Hey, that's teamwork. It also is not dependent on tributes at all. You can do it without tribute screen, or with tribute screen, and sending tributes to your ally during said attack doesn't change how successful the attack is.

Again, everyone who is for the patch always groups economy and military teamwork into the same group, they are completely different aspects to the game. Once again, you associate tributing with no skill/teamwork, DUMB. In fact it requires more teamwork, if your group planned on pockets booming while wings slut rushing for example, those wings are going to do all they can to protect those pockets and kill their wing as fast as they can so they can give the pockets a chance to come in with massive armies, if they are rushing the whole game, spending every resource they have devoted to military, its going to be quite hard for them late game, they are dependent on tributes to help keep them in the game, and finish off the rest of the team.

One team might have a stronger economy than the other, while the other might have more military power. Tributing helped balance this, the team with the economy will essentially lose. The game is only military based now. You guys may think, O how does a simple fucking thing like tribute affect the entire game. Well you guys must be playing an entirely different game than I have been.

[simple_faith]

Why does everyone, when they quote me, start babbling on about "the majority" how many times do I have to tell you, DONT. GIVE. A. FUCK. ABOUT. THE. MAJORITY. They are all fucking retarded, and have been lead to believe

Omega's recycled arguements against mine, this was in the patch section fyi

Subtype of above argument: Without tributes, people won't be able to rebuild and many games will be lost because of it!
Reponse: They can't do it either. So, why not actually prevent your allies from getting pwned to the point they need to rebuild? Yeah the "teamwork" of feeding them resources and forgetting about them is gone, and it has to be replaced with the actual teamwork of defending your allies. More importantly, when someone on your team dies to the point of needing to rebuild this means the other team is winning. You're loosing. Why not play better in the first place?

So basically all this long passage is saying is DONT FUCKING SUCK. GET SUM SKILL KID LOOOLOL, nice argument brah. You make tributing sound like its worse than fucking cheating for fucks sake. You make it sound so simple as well, is your ally dying?? O well maybe you shouldn't fucking suck and start helping him some more, man. If I honestly have to type out some examples of why you are wrong, you honestly havn't been playing the same game I have been all these years.

Subtype of above subtype: No tributes = no teamwork!
Response: Because obviously, the ability to work together as a team is dependent on tributing your allies vast sums of stuff because you can't plan who will make a coli, or can't properly defend your bases as a team, removes teamwork. Oh wait, no it encourages more real teamwork. Tributing and working as a team clearly are not mutually exclusive. It's blatantly obvious and utterly retarded anyone would suggest they are--just one example is attacking with your ally. Hey, that's teamwork. It also is not dependent on tributes at all. You can do it without tribute screen, or with tribute screen, and sending tributes to your ally during said attack doesn't change how successful the attack is.

Again, everyone who is for the patch always groups economy and military teamwork into the same group, they are completely different aspects to the game. Once again, you associate tributing with no skill/teamwork, DUMB. In fact it requires more teamwork, if your group planned on pockets booming while wings slut rushing for example, those wings are going to do all they can to protect those pockets and kill their wing as fast as they can so they can give the pockets a chance to come in with massive armies, if they are rushing the whole game, spending every resource they have devoted to military, its going to be quite hard for them late game, they are dependent on tributes to help keep them in the game, and finish off the rest of the team.

One team might have a stronger economy than the other, while the other might have more military power. Tributing helped balance this, the team with the economy will essentially lose. The game is only military based now. You guys may think, O how does a simple fucking thing like tribute affect the entire game. Well you guys must be playing an entirely different game than I have been.

damn derek for admin, no seriously derek has valid points teheheheeh

[ben55]

[/quote]

Why does everyone, when they quote me, start babbling on about "the majority" how many times do I have to tell you, DONT. GIVE. A. FUCK. ABOUT. THE. MAJORITY. They are all fucking retarded, and have been lead to believe

Omega's recycled arguements against mine, this was in the patch section fyi

Basically people don't agree with you are fucking retarded? Awesome logic. The vote explained in detail what they were voting for. Omega breast fed them information. It wasn't biased at all which seems to be what your implying. The only way someone didn't know what they were voting for is if they can't read English or just chose not to. Mentioning of reading you need to read what Omega said a bit better as well. Not once did he say tribute=no skill, once again your are over exaggerating(you seem to a lot).

As for your tribute/no tribute argument and skill. Each has pros/cons. If you can't see that then there is no point in arguing with you. P2S is actually a little unforgiving now if you don't manage your economy properly. Mod Tl isn't who has the best pocket anymore who can whore out the most resources and expand the quickest. You actually have to help your wing. Liga doesn't have any more cheese rushes.

My personal experiences with tributes. I've played every age/setting. Is that they are almost always used to help band aid a problem that could of been prevented. There are some different situations such as, tribbing your stone to a wing in Mod Tl, gold/iron swap in middle, etc, but that is such trivial stuff I really wouldn't be forming an argument around that.

A tribute screen system allows four very good players to make up for poor play much easier than without. You can use the tribute screen skillfully and win a lot of games, but it isn't the only thing required for team play nor is it the pinnacle of team play. I've won TONS of team games before any tributes are needed on our side while they exchanged thousands of resources. IMO I consider the tribute screen teamwork training wheels. Just my perspective from the countless games I've played.

I don't understand how your saying the game is all military now? If anything it was easier to be military based with tributes. Take Mod Tl for example, non cit cr was viable with tributes, because basically you had a crutch that would make the economic difference(your teammates) now if you fail @ holding your own economically the whole team pays for it. Because your pocket just can't breast feed you food to help you boom while you have steroid tanks and marines. If anything it has toned down the military dominance of this game and required all eight players to play a balanced game. You can't just focus on one area and the wing the other anymore. I find that more enjoyable than building a whole strategy around, okay you whore out huge mili upgrades while I feed you resources and give you air cover. I find that very stale gameplay although it is quite effective. Liga is the same way now, wings actually have to pay attention to their economy rather than mass their one unit and attack.

[lightnessking.]

It's almost amazing p-51 isn't banned from the forums yet for being a complete retard with 60 IQ. And again, IT TAKES 1 MINUTE TO UNPATCH WHY SPENDING HOURS ON WRITING A ESSAY ABOUT THE PATCHES.

[Eisregen]

i have a plan all unpatch Aoc!
eec with patch for the liga player who fear cheaters!

[ben55]

i have a plan all unpatch Aoc!
eec with patch for the liga player who fear cheaters!

:/ Sarcasm or not that is good idea, why not apply it?

[Eisregen]

Yes i know,in EEC i give a fuck if i can send tribs, idont miss them here.
but in Aoc i realy miss the tribs since the gameplay here isnt all about rushing.

[_thor]

redo vote plz